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well I don't know we're relating to the

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topic of UFOs I've studied every facet

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of it that I can imagine at this point I

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mean I started out looking at the

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politics I've never stopped looking at

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the politics that's always been

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basically the core of what I'm

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interested in other words the whole

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concept of you know how is it that this

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I think massively important reality

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continues to get denied by our political

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system and by our our mainstream media

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system and the academic community how is

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it when the evidence that we have for

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military sources through documentary

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sources proves that there's something

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important happening I mean that's the

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discrepancy and it's never it's never

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left my mind 15 20 years ago and I was

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all new at this game I assumed that

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there had to be a logical explanation as

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to why you've got this phenomenon that

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is so well documented that it is

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undeniable and documented from military

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sources documented from national

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security sources and yet when you start

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looking into getting any kind of

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official confirmation we get nothing to

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me that discrepancy is the thing that

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drives me more than anything else now on

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top of that relating to UFOs you do have

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the genuine scientific mystery of it I

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mean that's a fascinating thing what

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does it mean that there is this

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phenomenon that is not supposed to exist

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that does things that are that we

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struggle to understand scientifically

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you know what are the sciences behind it

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what's the science behind an object that

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can hover indefinitely and then

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instantly accelerate and that's a

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fascinating scientific question and

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there are good speculations as to what

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the answer might be but then you start

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with propulsion it becomes more

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interesting beyond that there's the

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question of space travel is it possible

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to have space travel real space travel

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interstellar space travel is it is this

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something that we humans might be able

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to do one day and I think the answer is

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yes the UFO phenomenon in other words

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brings us to many cutting-edge

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leading-edge scientific questions many

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of them it seems to me that any subject

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that can open up that many scientific

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questions propulsion space travel

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dimensions consciousness itself when you

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start dealing with all the alleged

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telepathic types of communications all

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of these issues are leading edge

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scientific concepts and any one subject

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that can bring us into that many

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cutting-edge areas of science has got to

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be important so there's the politics of

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the UFO phenomenon there's the science

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of the UFO phenomenon both of these are

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very interesting to me but then there

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are other facets of this phenomenon that

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are equally interesting there's a whole

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there's the entire subset of contact

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what is it that's actually going on when

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people have what they claim or what they

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believe or contact with these other

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entities there's not just a few of these

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there's many of these kinds of cases and

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I'm not saying that they're all

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legitimate I'm not saying that they're

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all true I don't know but I do know that

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there's a lot of them and I also know

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that the people who have gone through

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these apparent experiences have been

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deeply affected by them whether for the

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better or whether for the worse as as

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deep it's profound this is another

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aspect of the UFO phenomenon that I

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think is very important and it's it's

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direct human interaction that's that's

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deep so to me I look at the UFO subject

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in all of its myriad you know aspects

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and what I see is truly the greatest

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mystery of our time I think it's the

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most it's the most complex and profound

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subject of the 21st century that's why

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it's never been able I've never been

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able to escape from out under it I

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started out thinking I'll do this for a

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few months and now here it is more

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two decades later and I'm still still

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diving into it yeah I suspect that I'll

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always be interested in the UFO subject

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there are other things that I study

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beyond UFOs for sure but I can't really

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see myself leaving that subject ever

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because they I don't I don't think that

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I'll ever be able or that any of us is

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really ever truly going to be able to

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crack the mystery fully and completely

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even if there is some sort of formal

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disclosure as many people talked about I

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doubt that it will be a disclosure that

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will allow us to know every single thing

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that we want to know I mean my suspicion

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is that this phenomenon is derives from

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an intelligence that is so far beyond

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human capability so far beyond our

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ability to understand reality through

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space and time we're never really going

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to get it all so there's always going to

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be that mystery and also like any any

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important historical subject there's

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enough in the UFO history that will

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probably keep me coming back in other

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words if nothing else to study how UFO

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secrecy has damaged the whole concept of

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American Republican government and not

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simply American by extension in the

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world how in other words UFO secrecy has

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damaged has damaged freedom actually and

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as has helped to expand all the bad

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things we're seeing in the world today

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in terms of government surveillance

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black budget economics and the like the

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UFO phenomenon has been central it's

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been very important in all of those so I

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think for that reason alone I'll I'll

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continue to come back to studying UFO

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phenomenon and the effects its had on

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human civilization it's an interesting

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issue you know to what extent do people

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should we rely on the government for

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information on this and to what extent

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should we really be relying on ourselves

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and I think both of these are important

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in one sense I mean look no one expects

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truth out of government anymore I think

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we've gone past that we've all realized

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that

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governments around the world are not

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truthful and probably will never be

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truthful and they're not going to be

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truthful about UFOs even if they're

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forced to make an admission i can't

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assume that that's going to be a

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truthful admission sometimes people will

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say things like well you're expecting

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the government to to do everything for

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you and i think they're they're really

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looking at it the wrong way I really do

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the right way to look at it is

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government is supposed to be responsive

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to the people and if government is not

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responsive to the people and that's the

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sign of a problem that's a sign of

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creeping authoritarianism and creeping

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totalitarianism and I can tell you right

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now I'm never going to be down with that

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I will never subscribe to that I will

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never support that and I will always be

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my position that government must be

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responsive to the people it must be

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responsive to me personally as a citizen

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and it must be responsive to you

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personally as a citizen and so for that

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reason it is essential for people not to

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give up on the idea that their

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government owes them answers case closed

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when people make this argument you know

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expecting you know when they criticize

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me or they criticize other people

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because they say oh well he's expecting

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the government to answer these people

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really don't understand they're not

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thinking through clearly you got to use

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your brain here all right

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the government is not is not the

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big-daddy that I expect my answers from

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but the government is is responsive to

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me and if it's not responsive to me that

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then angers me and that makes me work

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double-time to make sure that I get

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control back over this institution and I

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realize maybe I'm just howling in the

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wind and maybe it'll never happen it's

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probably the case but I'm not going to

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give up on that idea I'm never giving up

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on that but at the same time practically

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speaking yes I know full well that if

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there's ever going to be forward motion

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on this it's going to have to come from

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the people not the government always

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from the people and any time in the past

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that there's ever been positive change

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in any way it's because it's been forced

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from below by the people and they forced

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this from government agencies so

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always has to start from the people so

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we have to take the initiative we have

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to use our brains we have to use our

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critical thinking skills and we can't

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just get suckered into every little

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rumor that comes our way

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incidentally we have to use our own

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research capabilities and be smart about

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it

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stand up and step to the front of the

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line and to do the research do the work

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sometimes thankless work but it's

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necessary so it's really you know it's

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it's it's two things I mean that people

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have to stay motivated and the people

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are obligated and and we're we should be

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encouraged to force our government and

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embarrass our government into talking

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about this issue because they are